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I was under the impression that HSMWorks and InventorHSM were both the same, as using the same code class library and algorithm. That's what I've been told recently anyway.
Btw that SW HSMWorks is more like EURO7,500 mate... if you want the full pkg (they'll throw in the turning module, for free loll)
Cold be wrong... all verbal discussions over the phone
Pro: HSMWorks Professional 2015Originally Posted by ShanghaiCNCI was under the impression that HSMWorks and InventorHSM were both the same, as using the same code class library and algorithm. That's what I've been told recently anyway.
Btw that SW HSMWorks is more like EURO7,500 mate... if you want the full pkg (they'll throw in the turning module, for free loll)
Cold be wrong... all verbal discussions over the phone
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Didn't realize Canada was on the Euro already
The turning 'module' isn't free, it's part of HSMWorks. Don't know who you talked with...
When you phone Autodesk from a free VPN IP phone (major lag), from Shanghai, China, have a Quebecois Frenchglish accent that's all f'ed up by a decade long of Chinese/Mandarin studies, the price is then passed to you in EURO. Perhaps they've assumed I was a Croatian immigrant living in Switzerland.Originally Posted by AtomkinderDidn't realize Canada was on the Euro already
The turning 'module' isn't free, it's part of HSMWorks. Don't know who you talked with...
Tried their SW demo of HSMWorks with the Turning module not long ago in fact. It gave me the impression it was a free module. Seriously do ppl really pay for that?!
Can't wait to see some progress on that Turning thing. That was the only thing that got me to pull off the deal at the end :/ Atm I can hand-code (safer) gcode and faster at it than drawing toolpath with that HSM turning module. Besides this turning thing so dumb lollll no point retracts, nada, nothing fancy... just left & right passes :/ Always sends everything back home after each passes/toolchanges, because you simply can't tell it what to do. Needs spending long & long hours self-learning javascript and re-writing postprocessors.... but then what's the point of that after spending $10k
I'll review all this again in 2016, or 2017, see if there is some advantages to hand-coding. Who knows, I might trash my SW HSMexpress copy for a Pro license... but at the speed Autodesk is developing I fear this will only happen in year 2025.
For now they seem sooo bloody busy pulling off some nice colorful youtube vids for us all! Fun to watch during coffee breaks
They will customize your post you know. That's what maintenance is for, not to mention the Autodesk CAM forum has some very knowledgeable and helpful people. Hell I've gotten custom posts from the CAM team for using HSMXpress. We haven't even paid for the software yet!
And I thought you were paying someone else to code your parts? And why does your location say Canada now?
At any rate, compared to CamWorks and Mastercam, I find HSM* to be ridiculously easy to use, and at least on the milling side, far better in terms of quality toolpaths and adjustability. There are a few things I'd change, and maybe when I get into more turning it'll be wishing to ditch HSM* but for now I really like it.
Sorry csharp for derailing a bit.
Couldn't agree more with you. I want it bad believe me! But I don't NEED it as bad as I want it lollOriginally Posted by AtomkinderAt any rate, compared to CamWorks and Mastercam, I find HSM* to be ridiculously easy to use
Yea all my parts' CAM were recently outsourced and cycled for the 2 Siemens ctrl I have. It's all done - 93 parts $4,500 incl 4 crazy fixtures, all done in NX, supported by 'real' NC simulations (vids). All I need to do now is tweak the F&S in the code and tada, I make money! How bloody easy lolll
JavaScript learning, bugging ppl on forums, tweaking PPs, fixing crashed machines, etc etc etc... nah man, another time for me lollll
2025 maybe! When manufacturers built & sale their machines with proprietary CAM algorithms attached with the deal.
Sorry csharp for derailing a LOT.
I had an interesting call yesterday with another add-in developer for Solidworks. Apparently solidworks is doing an overhaul in 2016 and they will need to change several things in their software.
Perhaps autodesk has decided not to do anything else for 2015?
Tim
Another nail in the coffin:
HSM works upgrade - Autodesk Community
Or a really good opportunity to blame someone else for their lack of focus on HSMWorks and concentration on other products. I would be willing to bet that HSMWorks will be killed off as soon as ADSK can do it and blame SW for it.Originally Posted by behindpropellersI had an interesting call yesterday with another add-in developer for Solidworks. Apparently solidworks is doing an overhaul in 2016 and they will need to change several things in their software.
Perhaps autodesk has decided not to do anything else for 2015?
Tim
When my reseller called yesterday and I told him what I thought about the software and lack of progress there was not arguments from him. No offer to show me the great advancements etc.... I posted on the forum if someone would program one of my lathe parts start to finish as an example of how to use the software I would send in a check the same day. Guess what, no takers!
Can I take a look? I've got a lengthy plane ride and alot of hotel time in my near future and could use a refresher in turning..Originally Posted by csharpOr a really good opportunity to blame someone else for their lack of focus on HSMWorks and concentration on other products. I would be willing to bet that HSMWorks will be killed off as soon as ADSK can do it and blame SW for it.
When my reseller called yesterday and I told him what I thought about the software and lack of progress there was not arguments from him. No offer to show me the great advancements etc.... I posted on the forum if someone would program one of my lathe parts start to finish as an example of how to use the software I would send in a check the same day. Guess what, no takers!
Yeah post the part, I want to have a crack with F360 new turning and might have a go with with featurecam at my mates place when I stop on there
When I meant no takers I was speaking about ADSK and NEXGEN who get my money but have provided no help. I provided the part to ADSK, did gotomeeting with AL, and sent a word.doc with screen shots and questions. I never received a single response to the part in over 2 years.
Rob,
PM you email and I will see if I try to get one of the parts that I can share to you when I get back to the shop Monday. However at this point there is not need to prove anything to me. My maintenance has officially expired yesterday and when the company that wants my money can't/won't provide support or answer questions or provide updates a product I have no interest in doing much with them.
Never mind rob I found your email.
To the people that are moving away from HSMWorks, what cad and cam are you switching to?
There lies the problem.. I've demo'd everything, and while HSMWork's has some issues, everything else has more..Originally Posted by converterkingTo the people that are moving away from HSMWorks, what cad and cam are you switching to?
We moved away because I'm afraid Autodesk is gone to drop hsmworks. We use Mastercam 4 Solidworks and Mastercam yea I know not the best. I wish I could go back to NX.Originally Posted by converterkingTo the people that are moving away from HSMWorks, what cad and cam are you switching to?
I think if AD does kill off HSM for SW (which I doubt but I've been wrong before) They will create a a wonderful opportunity for A. either a HSM competitor to get their shit together and pick up a lot of pissed off HSMworks users or B. they will drive people to a complete solution like NX.
HSMworks is good stuff at a reasonable price, once you've had good stuff you become a more demanding customer. I keep hearing NX as one of few steps up from HSMworks. I've demo'd the other mid range offerings and have not been all that impressed. I know of people that use NX and swear by it. If development of HSMworks stops or the product goes away NX will be on the list.
The problem with moving to another package for us is that Solidworks integration is a must. I think we must have 50 seats of SW Premium for all the engineers, so keeping that data integral is paramount. I'd rather be using Mastercam for SW than CamWorks though, and that's hard to admit.
Ouch..Camworks that's a kick below the beltOriginally Posted by AtomkinderThe problem with moving to another package for us is that Solidworks integration is a must. I think we must have 50 seats of SW Premium for all the engineers, so keeping that data integral is paramount. I'd rather be using Mastercam for SW than CamWorks though, and that's hard to admit.
NX is literally the only thing i'd consider switching to, but at this point, I'd probably be hard pressed not to just switch to Inventor HSM, though. It would hurt to lose the integration with SW, but if HSMWorks goes, none of the other SW integrated packages are worth a damn. Inventor is pretty much a SW clone anyway.Originally Posted by XD341I think if AD does kill off HSM for SW (which I doubt but I've been wrong before) They will create a a wonderful opportunity for A. either a HSM competitor to get their shit together and pick up a lot of pissed off HSMworks users or B. they will drive people to a complete solution like NX.
HSMworks is good stuff at a reasonable price, once you've had good stuff you become a more demanding customer. I keep hearing NX as one of few steps up from HSMworks. I've demo'd the other mid range offerings and have not been all that impressed. I know of people that use NX and swear by it. If development of HSMworks stops or the product goes away NX will be on the list.
Yeah, I don't think I could bring myself to keep doing business with AD if they did that. The business has to make money and ownership is a bitch but one of the perks is I get to decide how I spend the money I make. After making the promises they made in the wake of buyout, I wouldn't trust them enough to keep doing business with AD. It'd take me a while to make the move but I would look long and damn hard at NX.Originally Posted by rlockwoodNX is literally the only thing i'd consider switching to, but at this point, I'd probably be hard pressed not to just switch to Inventor HSM, though. It would hurt to lose the integration with SW, but if HSMWorks goes, none of the other SW integrated packages are worth a damn. Inventor is pretty much a SW clone anyway.
I've been using MC for SW for a couple months and have been pleasantly surprised fwiw. It's still MC, but using it inside the solidworks environment makes it much more tolerable than the standalone version.
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